Re: [lojban] The experimental version of Camxes-JS — [fork from the thread "Terminator for la"]

2016-02-03 13:24 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:

Le mercredi 3 février 2016 09:18:31 UTC, la gleki a écrit :

2016-02-02 13:09 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni...@gmail.com>:

Le mardi 2 février 2016 06:39:15 UTC, la gleki a écrit :

2016-02-01 18:34 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni...@gmail.com>:
The problem is that Gleki the dictator have been maintained the parser on the official lojban.org server so that it fit to his personal beginner's course, asserting that the grammar of experimental camxes-js is of new Lojban, as if it were de facto standard, or would be official soon.

It's simply not true.

There is no evidence that it's not true, while there are evidences that it's true.
Because you have concealed the evidences for that on lojban.org, I use the wayback machine here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151031175123/https://mw.lojban.org/papri/La_Bangu
https://web.archive.org/web/20150226233559/http://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft)

The first archive above shows that your personal beginner's course deals with "modern dialects of Lojban".

Of course. I use users' feedback to improve it. It has been so and will be so. That's the nature of the course.

If a person uses this course then he/she sends feedback back.

All constructive criticism is taken into consideration. Yelling "it's wrong" is not taken into account.

The second one shows that the followers of your personal beginner's course should use the parser http://mw.lojban.org/extensions/ilmentufa/camxes-exp.html , that is experimental camxes-js, for checking the grammar of their sentences.

The Crash Course is a draft. I wasn't careful enough to study this parser. By now, the "more official" ilmentufa parser is more or less fine so I changed to it.

Most "problems" with the course is due to lack of care because the language is big.

Not because of hidden intentions that don't exist.

Besides, you made some modifications on the experimental camxes-js that were reflected on the parser on lojban.org.
https://github.com/lagleki/glekitufa/commits/master/camxes-exp.js.peg

Those three records are evidences for your dictatorship that you abused your authority on lojban.org by freely modified the tool on official server for your personal beginner's course.

We can no more see that egocentric version of his personal beginner's course, because he has already concealed the evidence.

Because it's not egocentric and on the contrary altruistic.
What can even be egocentric in an activity for which personally I gain nothing.

You gained "modern Lojban" suitable to your ideal, and deprived me of my citizenship of Lojban community. The evidences are below.

You differentiated Zantufa grammar on #lojban channel of IRC:
--- Day changed Mon Aug 10 2015
10:43 < gleki> lo catni gerna cu te frica ma'oi GUhA ma'oi GA i ma'i la zantufa lo cmavo be ma'oi GUhA cu na'e se nitcu jecu ku'i binxo lo cmavo be ma'oi GA i lu ro mo cu ge mo gi mo li'u ja lu ro mo ge cu mo gi mo li'u cu se stura lo simsa be tu'a lo catni gerna sei ku'i na'e dunli
10:43 < gleki> i di'u se cusku la guskant
10:43 < gleki> i ja'o lo guskanbau cu banzu frica lo jbobau

This record and above three records are evidences for your egocentrism of asserting that I am not Lojbanist, while you keep some dialects that you permit to be modern Lojban.

Those are not my dialects. Those are from the community.

You banned yourself from the community by not providing any feedback whereas a lot of people (at least 20) throughout the history of the development of the Crash Course has contributed to it.

If there are "dialects" in the Course and everyone thinks they are fine then I won't delete them.

However, when someone notices a problem and suggests a solution or others suggest a solution then the solution is implemented.
E.g. recently following users' feedback I removed experimental word {mi'ai} because users in general thought that it wasn't that useful.

If something else problematic is discovered then it will be reflected as it HAS ALWAYS been so.

When the number of issues drops to "not more than 1 issue once every two months" then IMO it will be time to call it "beta version" of the Course. But currently it's still a draft (not that IMO any other courses in English are much more perfect).

The fact that Gleki's course reduced its egocentrism is an improved point, though his dictatorship will not stop as long as he continues administrating "vrici" server of lojban.org.

You simply don't understand who is administrating vrici. It's Robin. not me. You as well can get an account there and put everything relevant to Lojban you like.

I don't know about the whole administratorship on that server. However, at least your modifications on tools are all reflected on the web contents of lojban.org.
http://vrici.lojban.org/~gleki/
(I don't know why that folder is kept visible to public.)

Actually the problem occurred as I wrote to Gleki:

You as well publish different unofficial resources on lojban.org

The only reason for me to publish it there was and is to provide a faster way of accessing them.

I only modified pages of mediawiki with notes of "unofficial" when necessary, while you modified any tools on lojban.org as you like. You have the whole power on lojban.org web contents

No, it's not true. Those are your fantasies.
The folder mw.lojban.org/extensions/ is visible because it was faster to access them by users.
By various reasons it's indeed better to move them to other hostings.
But I had no time for doing so.
The whole code is open so everyone is free to do so.
DON'T COMPLAIN. INSTEAD DO BETTER.

Again and again, you changed the subject and would not answer to my remark. I don't complain about what you teach in your personal beginner's course. My remark is about your dictatorship of freely changing the tools on official website for your personal contents. You abuse your authority on official website for your personal contents. The tools on lojban.org don't contain any information about the responsibility of the tools themselves, and then no one doubt that the tools are maintained by the official body. The truth is that not the official body but you maintain the tools.

I recommend that you maintain your tools as you like outside of official website. Don't abuse your authority on the contents of lojban.org. I appreciate that you finally informed us of the new page for ilmentufa parsers on lojban.github.io, where we all can join the maintenance and you cannot execute your dictatorship. Continue that way.

I will take out other courses later when I convert them to other formats. This will also mean that other people will no longer be able to edit them :( but as you wish, dictator.

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