21 maj 2016 07:36 "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> napisał(a):
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> 2016-05-20 22:22 GMT+03:00 Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>:
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>> Hello there,
>> I'm genuinely offended by that the Crash Course's resources are not properly marked.
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>> To elaborate: the course is not a single page and, as you can guess, produces a lot of topics not quite parallel, or even relevant to it. Also, the contents describe an unofficial variation on the theme of official (BPFK) Lojban, containing many experimental cmavo, selma'o and constructions. Now, there are many dialects of Lojban extant, and they all appear on the wiki. This means that such dialects should be marked off by a template or warning at the top of a page. Yet many, if not most of the CC's pages don't warn the reader this way. It is important to do so, as it doesn't confuse that reader into thinking some construct is official while it isn't. There are many solutions to this problem.
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>> The first one is defining what a "modern dialect of Lojban" as taught by CC
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> CC isn't intended to teach any modern dialects of Lojban. Who told you so?
Oh, you failed riposta apprentice. Even though you've removed the line, "this course teaches modern dialects of Lojban", you're still linking to the modified parser. If you removed that and you think you're "done", you're wrong. I've had 5 seconds of looking at the table of contents, and have at this:
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/The_Crash_Course_(a_draft)#za.27o_-_still.2C_xa.27o_-_already
Now, {xa'o} is experimental, so don't tell me you ain't teachin' theez effin' modern dialects of Lojban.
I shall make a list of inconsistencies in CC, so that nothing like this happens again. And also, all Lojbans are equal, so your definition of {banzu frica be le jbobau} is far too irrational.
Also, why do you delete pages' histories? It's illegal to do so on a wiki. You've abused your admin rights in order to hide the truth. Now that's what I call a crime!
>> is, by the community itself. For example: is the selpa'i 's JE model counted? Is {xoi} in it? One could ask such questions night-long, and wouldn't get a brick solid answer. So why not capture it? Then we're only a template away from victory!
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>> (A rationale for such a thing: at any point, gleki can add {moi'i'au'e} of ME (”x1 is a fish swimming in patterns [sumti]"), declare it as the modern dialect, and suddenly a new army of nintadni would flush the jbogu'e talking about the peculiar swimming patterns of salmon. Now that's what I call evil! In order to avoid such silliness, a list of accepted experimental stuff would form, and no such personal mix-and-match morphing of the language of unaware learners would occur.)
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>> The second one is to put guns on BPFK's members' cheeks and make them mainstream the new usage proposals... ah, forget it.
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>> The real second one is to remove the whole CC from the wiki. This way, no one will be concerned about viewing random pages on the wiki and thinking they are in official Lojban while they aren't. Simple, right?
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> Also one can remove other resources that are not official Lojban. They also spread false info about Lojban.
Nope, they can say it's unofficial Lojban, which is one way out of the problem. But your course is different — there are many pages. Removing it right away would solve the problem quickly.
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>> The third one is to do the following: for every nonstandard usage or word, add a warning about it, link to a relevant page and show the official version. Suddenly we don't get any of the problems we've experienced before!
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>> The fourth one is to stop that stupid marking and consider every dialect to be Lojban. This would include lo geirbau and lo cu'u banzu frica be le jbobau ku ku xo'o.
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>> What would YOU do?
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> If I were you I would write a new course instead of complaining. Job needs to be done.
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> Make a new course so that people start using it.
I'm working on one, so you can stop blaming me like that. And be more critical about what you do, abuser.
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>> I think that not doing any of these would be an offense from gleki's side, so some of these should be done. Feel free to discuss it here, or fork the thread, if you feel like you're splitting hair in two and talking about one half only.
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>> — mu'o
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