Le mardi 3 mai 2016 16:07:34 UTC, Wuzzy a écrit :
Why isn't this (or something similar) in the official
definition (or in the notes)? :-(
I now had 3 different answers, each of them (more or less)
contradicting each other. :-(((
For insance, you say, the order is year, month, day, another one say its
day, month, year because of ISO. Official definition also uses the day,
month, year ordering.
It's nice you all try to explain how detri is used “in actual usage”,
but it seems that “actual usage” varies to a great extent, so it is not
really useful. :-/
IMO we need a clear and well-defined OFFICIAL definition for detri, not
several contradicting ad-hoc definitions.
Those different answers gave you some different examples of convention, which are not suggestion for official definition.
The official definition of {detri} does not restrict the form of x1 to one convention: x1 of {detri} is any sumti that can be a symbol for a time point; the applicable symbol is defined with x4.
The form of x1 depends on context, and you can specify the form with x4 or any additional items like {fi'o}, {noi}, {ti'o}* and so on if necessary.
(*Use of {ti'o} for that purpose is not officially suggested but I think it is enough applicable for specifying mapping of numbers to time points.)
According to your answers so far, I can't even safely make sense out of
something like “li pa pi'e re pi'e ci detri”, because you don't seem
to even agree on the ordering. :-(
The official definition for {detri} should not specify the ordering because {detri} has x4 by nature to specify the calendar that defines the system of mapping of symbols to time points. If you think the current definition is confusing, we need to add explanation of usage of x4, not restriction to the form of x1.
Le mardi 3 mai 2016 16:18:52 UTC, la gleki a écrit :
Well, Lojban for Beginners and "lerfu detri" don't contradict each other. Otherwise, yes.
No, as explained above, those are different conventions and not definitions of x1 of {detri}. They all can be used in different contexts. Because the context should be different between them, the universe of discourse is different between them, and therefore they cannot contradict each other.
There is also one more solution: not to use {detri} at all. You may use {jednpa} etc., {de'i'u}...
As explained above, you can stay with {detri} by declaring x4 of {detri}. {jednpa} series and {de'i'u} series are all defined with {detri} and they can be expanded to {detri} form of the same meaning.
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