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Re: [lojban] Re: explicit tanru



​la gleki di'e ciska:



Em sexta-feira, 29 de julho de 2016 11:57:49 UTC+3, la uakci escreveu:

​What language is this header in?

 
coi jbozabna

In Lojban, all tanru are made by putting two (or more; technically one brivla also
makes for a tanru, but anyway) brivla next to each other.

I'm considering something of a dialect/preference/whatever that would require a tanru
to be enclosed in {ke} to make it a tanru; otherwise, it would break into two selbri.
For example, {lo blanu stizu} would parse as {<lo blanu KU> [CU stizu VAU]}

Maybe instead use alternatives to LE?
E.g. 
{.i blanu bu stizu} already works like that.

​Good point, but while {bu} eats one word, *hypothetical cmavo* should eat one selbrisle.
(Of course assuming that a {ke}-{ke'e} ​bracket counts as selbrisle.)

 

 
, and to
express the intended 'blue chair', it'd be required to say {lo ke blanu stizu}.

How would tanru containing >=3 selbrisle work? Would {lo blanu broda broda} parse as {lo blanu cu broda broda}?

​That wouldn't parse here. Think about it in terms of a grammar:

    jufra = sumti* selbri sumti* / sumti*
    sumti = LE selbri
    selbri = KE brivla* KEhE? / brivla

{lo blanu stizu} parses as:

jufra
|
+---------+
|         |
sumti     selbri
|         |
+--+      brivla
|  |      |
LE selbri |
|  |      |
|  brivla |
|  |      |
== =====  =====
lo blanu  stizu
(regular Lojban: lo blanu cu stizu)

(Apologies for the cheesy ASCII tree, but anyways.)

{lo ke blanu stizu}:

jufra
|
sumti
|
+--+
|  |
LE selbri
|  |
|  +--+------+
|  |  |      |
|  KE brivla brivla
|  |  |      |
== == =====  =====
lo ke blanu  stizu
(regular: lo blanu cu stizu)

Your {lo blanu broda broda} doesn't parse - it'd parse to this point:

jufra
|
+---------+------+
|         |      |
sumti     selbri sumti
|         |      |
+--+      brivla LE
|  |      |      |
LE selbri |      |
|  |      |      |
|  brivla |      |
|  |      |      |
== =====  =====  =====
lo blanu  broda  broda!?

That doesn't match (as you can see), since {broda} isn't among the selma'o BRIVLA
(let's pretend BRIVLA is a selma'o).

If we add NU, then your proposed thingy would work in context.
It's also possible for an unmatching brivla to start a new bridi, with the {.i} elided:

    selsku = (I* jufra)*

Then:

selsku
|
+----------------+
|                |
jufra            jufra
|                |
+---------+      selbri
|         |      |
sumti     selbri brivla
|         |      |
+--+      brivla |
|  |      |      |
LE selbri |      |
|  |      |      |
|  brivla |      |
|  |      |      |
== =====  =====  =====
lo blanu  broda  broda
(regular: lo blanu cu broda .i broda)

Hope it makes sense.

~ mi'e la uakci mu'o re'i
  .i .e'e ma'a jbokei gi'e nai jboke'i ~



What do you think about such a convention?

~ mi'e la uakci mu'o re'i .e'e sai
  .i lo fanmo selsku be mi cu binxo co ke du'e va'e clani cai ~

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