Re: [lojban] x2 of remna

[uakci <ciuak.prog@gmail.com>]

I’m pretty sure this is not how all this works. If a place isn’t invoked, it doesn’t participate in the quantification; therefore, «so’i cakcinki cu xabju lo purdi» has *unary* «cakcinki», so the correct meaning – ‘there are many beetles living in the garden.’ 

la tersmu agrees:

  purdi(c0); (so'i)x1:(cakcinki(_)). zvati(x1,c0)

Therefore, the sumti phrase «so’i cakcinki» means «so’i poi’i ke’a su’o da cakcinki» rather than «pa da zo’u… so’i cakcinki be da».

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

— mi’e la uakci

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 1:44 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

On Thursday, 20 June 2019 07.06.39 EDT mezohe wrote:
> > ! so'i cakcinki cu xabju lo purdi
>
> doesn't work because it expands to
>
> > ! so'i cakcinki be zo'e cu xabju lo purdi [be zo'e bei zo'e]
>
> zo'e is a constant; so'i can't scope over it. All this can mean is "many
> beetles of the obvious species live in the garden"; nothing is said
> about beetles of other species. And there does have to be a single
> species zo'e refers to, since having it refer to multiple ones would say
> for *each* beetle that it's a member of all the species.

Where do you get the idea that zo'e is a constant? As I understand it, {mi
viska ci cakcinki} is equally true if I see three Japanese beetles (of which
there are many on the blackberry plants) or if I see a cocuyo, a scarab, and a
weevil. Anyway, x2 of {cakcinki} can be {la'o .ly. Coleoptera .ly.}, which is
equivalent to {lo'e se cakcinki}.

Pierre
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