[lojban] {zo'e}

[Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>]

Hello everybody,

I would like to ask you clarifications on the meaning of the cmavo 
{zo'e}, which is defined in the CLL at 
https://lojban.github.io/cll/7/7/index.html 
<https://lojban.github.io/cll/7/7/index.html> as meaning “the obvious 
value”, “whatever I want it to mean but haven’t bothered to figure out, 
or figure out how to express”.

Let's consider the following three example sentences:

• [A] {mi tirna zo'e}
• [B] {mi tirna su'o da}
• [C] {(da'o) mi tirna ko'a} (usage of a constant {ko'a} which hasn't 
been assigned a value explicitly earlier)

How does [A] semantically differ from [B] and [C]? (I suspect that the 
two latters ultimately mean the same thing.)
How [A] should be represented in logical notation?
{zo'e} cannot be a constant as it changes its referent(s) on each 
occurrence.

The gloss “the obvious value” given in the CLL may lead one to consider 
“you-know-what” or “something which you should be able to identify 
easily” as a possible meaning for {zo'e}, although the second wording 
“whatever I want it to mean but haven’t bothered to figure out, or 
figure out how to express” doesn't seem to support it.
That second wording doesn't imply that the addressee should be able to 
identify the referents of {zo'e}, but however it seems to imply that the 
speaker has a more precise idea on the referents than with a plain {su'o 
da}, but didn't manage or bother to lay out a more detailed description. 
Therefore, {su'o co'e} (“some thing(s) satisfying the contextually 
salient predicate”) or “some certain thing(s) (known by the speaker but 
not necessarily by the listener)” may also qualify as candidate 
definitions for {zo'e}.

What in your opinion should be a more precise definition of {zo'e}?

—mu'o mi'e la .ilmen.

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