From nicholas@uci.edu Thu Aug 23 16:52:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_1); 23 Aug 2001 23:52:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 547 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2001 23:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2001 23:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 23 Aug 2001 23:51:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18286; Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:51:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] soi vo'a: partial backflip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la xod. >mi ba'e sanji le za'i da carmi nabmi .i ku'i ga'inai le do stidi >mubycikre goi ko'a cu tolmelbi je juxre je cfipu .i .i'i .uu node >frili cikre *looks astonished* Really? Then I think now I'm being the naturalist, and you the hardliner! :-) Leaving the reference of {vo'a} to pragmatics, with a strong default, echoes practice elsewhere in Lojban, the prehistory of {vo'a} (which used to be completely pragmatic as to what it was the x1 of), and usage to date. In fact, *I* don't like the proposal either, but I think it's what people are going to keep doing. (Helsem's done this with soivo'a, and I think so has Mark.) And since {leno'a} and {lenei} already exist for those who want unambiguous references (remember, {leno'axiro} is emergency-use only), I think a flexible {vo'a} is the most realistic solution. OK, I'll hold off on putting this on the Wiki for now. Others? John, you've been silent on this. :-) -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias