From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Aug 24 00:30:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 24 Aug 2001 07:30:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 18319 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2001 07:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2001 07:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2001 07:30:52 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (dynamic77.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.77]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7O7Uo929134 for ; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010824031752.00d292c0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:28:28 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] si'o In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 08:01 PM 8/23/01 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >{si'o} in the list and what little there is in the Book looks to be redundant >for a relativized {ka} on the one hand and for something totally outside that >range on the other. It is admittedly a bit hard to relativize {ka} as a >predicate (damn, I miss the real and useful {me}), When we went along with TLI on the change in me, we had determined that there was an easy alternate way to do the old me. Why is it unsatisfactory? As for ka, I am more than ever inclined to agree with xorxes formulation of his usage. I suspect that the times when my "every empty place is a ce'u" apply will not generally be places where we have sumti "le ka broda" linked to other sumti, but rather in bare predicate "ka broda". For the most part, I am agreeing with you that there is a tempest in a teapot trying to find a solution when we aren't all that much in agreement as to what the problem is (or maybe even whether there is a problem). (I see that Nick finds it a problem, since he's trying to write a book, but his problem is getting mixed up with And's proposals and a whole bunch of other stuff that really doesn't need to be decided in order to write the book (if indeed it is something that can be decided at all). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org