From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Fri Aug 24 08:25:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 24 Aug 2001 15:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 67995 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2001 15:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2001 15:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2001 15:23:43 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:02:19 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:29:17 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:28:49 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] ce'u Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta >>> Adam Raizen 08/24/01 01:40am >>> #la and. cusku di'e #> How do we distinguish nu, gerku and prenu that fasnu in #> contextually-established realworld spacetime from nu, gerku #> and prenu that merely zasti in the noosphere? # #The ones that fasnu in the contextually-established realworld spacetime #are a ca'a fasnu, a ca'a gerku, and a ca'a prenu. The ones that merely #zasti in the noosphere are a ka'e fasnu, a ka'e gerku and a ka'e #prenu. Assuming, counterfactually, that I am happy to buy this, what is the differ= ence between ka'e nu and ca'a nu? If you (and others) agree that it's exactly parallel to the difference between ka'e fasnu and ca'a fasnu and ka'e gerku and ca'a gerku, then I think I'll be satisfied... --And.