From nicholas@uci.edu Fri Aug 24 13:22:30 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 24 Aug 2001 20:22:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 72120 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2001 20:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Aug 2001 20:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2001 20:21:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04950; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] soi disant soi dissent Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la xod. >You also said "when context overwhelmingly allows it", which I, as an >alleged "naturalist", can't stand. I also have not been convinced that >recursion is always a bad thing. OK, if this is about wording, then I don't want this proposal to be any different in nature than the convention regarding {ke'a}. So remove the 'overwhelmingly'. I also think what Mark and Colin did way back makes sense, but agree they shouldn't have done it, so I'm happy to retract the x1 recursion constraint. > And we ARE determining usage. Our usage, from now on. I will still weasel, I fear. I will advocate long-distance only in the lessons, but I will also say "but soi vo'a will probably remain an exception as used by most people." (Even if I didn't mention it in the Lessons, Rob, people would find it in the archives, and people won't unlearn it in practice.) "So vo'a *may* end in practice being defined as long-distance by default, but short-distance when context favours that reading -- for instance, soi vo'a." And all this in an appendix in the lessons. Would that be better? -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias