From cowan@ccil.org Fri Aug 24 23:45:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 25 Aug 2001 06:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 19319 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2001 06:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Aug 2001 06:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2001 06:45:55 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15aXCr-00062r-00; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:46:09 -0400 Subject: Re: mine, thine, hisn, hern, itsn ourn, yourn and theirn (was[lojban] si'o) In-Reply-To: from Nick NICHOLAS at "Aug 24, 2001 10:20:23 pm" To: Nick NICHOLAS Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Nick NICHOLAS scripsit: > > la pier. ba'o facki la'edi'e: > > > tanru_unit_B_152 : ME_477 sumti_90 MEhU_gap_465 MOI_476 > > Oh my God. > > There is only one explanation for this, which is that Lojban Central > wanted normal sumti, and not just numbers, to be ordinals. No, no. That was a serendipitous side effect. The point of me+sumti+moi was to allow full math expressions, not just digit strings, as numerical selbri. The typical case is me li ny su'i pa mei 'an n+1-some' or me li ny su'i pa moi 'the n+1th'. > ... I found this in the refgramm; dunno whether it answers my question, > but it horrifies me even more: > > *** > > It is perfectly possible to use non-numerical sumti after ``me'' and > before a member of MOI, producing strange results indeed: > > 11.15) le nu mi nolraitru > cu me le'e snime bolci > be vi la xel. cu'o > The event-of me being-a-nobly-superlative-ruler > has-the-stereotypical snow type-of-ball > at Hell probability. > I have a snowball's chance in Hell of being king. Check out the preceding Example 11.14, which is the normal case. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org Please leave your values | Check your assumptions. In fact, at the front desk. | check your assumptions at the door. --sign in Paris hotel | --Miles Vorkosigan