From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Aug 25 21:21:08 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 26 Aug 2001 04:21:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 44800 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2001 04:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Aug 2001 04:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.149) by mta2 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2001 04:21:07 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:21:07 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.208 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 04:21:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.208] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: mine, thine, hisn, hern, itsn ourn, yourn and theirn (wassi'o) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 04:21:07 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2001 04:21:07.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[86F29F60:01C12DE6] From: "Jorge Llambias" la nitcion cusku di'e >Let me come clean; I think (and have always thought) Sapir-Whorf bogus (as >most linguists do, for ideological reasons); I completely agree, even though I'm not a linguist. >Sapir-Whorf is not what >attracted me to Lojban; and when I do get epiphanies in my Lojban use and >interaction (which has and does happen), they come from clarifying things >on the logical side of the language, not the non-logical side. In my case it's not so much the logic in itself, but the language-logic, when two things that seemed unrelated suddenly come together in a general rule for example. >Indeed, I >still believe there is nothing on the non-logical side of Lojban (and I >emphatically include tanru and attitudinals here) which is particularly >unique or special to Lojban. Probably true. I don't have much to say for tanru, but there's a lot in attitudinals that is not clear to me yet. The big attitudinal debate of some months ago was helpful but still to be concluded. >This, I think, underlies many of my current disagreements with people (and >particularly xod); so xorxes, I think you can chalk up one more axis. :-) I don't think you will find me opposing you on the wanting to be logical axis. In that respect, in your usage you are rather more lax than I am, I think. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp