From phma@oltronics.net Sun Aug 26 05:33:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 26 Aug 2001 12:33:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 5403 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2001 12:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 26 Aug 2001 12:33:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (216.189.29.74) by mta1 with SMTP; 26 Aug 2001 12:33:37 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7E05B3C607; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: Subject: Re: [lojban] soi Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:23:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0108260823250K.01123@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat On Saturday 25 August 2001 21:47, And Rosta wrote: > Jorge: > > As for special constructions, I think {soi} is the worst offender. > > A whole construction just to take care of the word "viceversa"? > > I think the soi construction is pretty feeble, or maybe I just don't > understand it properly, but I do think that a logically explicit > "viceversa" construction deserves to exist. It seems to me that > viceversa constructions can be handled by reciprocals: > > I went from London to Paris and vice versa > = I went from London to Paris and from Paris to London > = I went from each of x = {London, Paris} to each other x > > Two questions: > > 1. Are there things that can be said with "soi" or with "vice > versa" that can't be done by this reciprocal method? John took Bill's book and vice versa. This doesn't mean "John took Bill's book and Bill's book took John"; it means "John took Bill's book and Bill took John's book". > 2. How does Lojban do reciprocals? (E.g. "The children love > each other".) I can't find anything relevant in the Book index. le'i verba cu prami simxu mu'omi'e pier.