From phma@oltronics.net Mon Aug 27 13:09:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 27 Aug 2001 20:09:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 67989 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2001 19:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2001 19:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (216.189.29.110) by mta1 with SMTP; 27 Aug 2001 19:51:42 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id A38923C54E; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: Subject: pe BAI on tense markers Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:37:07 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01082710370708.01399@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat I've figured out what "pe BAI" means, as opposed to "be BAI", in at least one instance, "ba'i". a. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku be seba'i lo rokci (The brick was made of something else instead of stone, maybe.) b. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku pe seba'i lo rokci (The tower was made of brick instead of of stone. This is the right grammar - I was going to say "construction", but it wasn't the right construction, because God was displeased with it.) c. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku seba'i lo rokci (The making of the building was a substitute for a stone. This is unclear, and might be interpreted as b or as "ko'e zbasu le dinju, peseba'i lo rokci, le staku".) To say "instead" without saying instead of what, one can say "peseba'iku". In the Book (or at least the webpages) there is a sentence in which a BAI phrase semantically modifies not a verb, not a noun, but a tense marker: le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli ma'i vo'a (Chapter 10, verse 8.3) Since "ma'i vo'a" modifies "mo'iri'u", not the bridi as a whole, it should be "le verba mo'iri'uku pema'i vo'a cadzu le bisli". This, however, is ungrammatical, at least according to jbofi'e. Is there a reason why it won't work? phma