From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Aug 27 13:40:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 27 Aug 2001 20:40:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 61712 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2001 20:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2001 20:30:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 Aug 2001 20:30:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7RKUS425218 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:30:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] pe BAI on tense markers In-Reply-To: <01082710370708.01399@neofelis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I've figured out what "pe BAI" means, as opposed to "be BAI", in at least one > instance, "ba'i". > > a. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku be seba'i lo rokci > (The brick was made of something else instead of stone, maybe.) > b. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku pe seba'i lo rokci > (The tower was made of brick instead of of stone. Why do you see these as being any different? This is the right grammar - > I was going to say "construction", but it wasn't the right construction, > because God was displeased with it.) > c. ko'e zbasu le dinju lo staku seba'i lo rokci > (The making of the building was a substitute for a stone. This is unclear, > and might be interpreted as b or as "ko'e zbasu le dinju, peseba'i lo rokci, > le staku".) > > To say "instead" without saying instead of what, one can say "peseba'iku". > > In the Book (or at least the webpages) there is a sentence in which a BAI > phrase semantically modifies not a verb, not a noun, but a tense marker: Verb? Noun? > le verba mo'i ri'u cadzu le bisli ma'i vo'a (Chapter 10, verse 8.3) > > Since "ma'i vo'a" modifies "mo'iri'u", not the bridi as a whole, it should be > "le verba mo'iri'uku pema'i vo'a cadzu le bisli". This, however, is > ungrammatical, at least according to jbofi'e. Is there a reason why it won't > work? > > phma ----- "It is not enough that an article is new and useful. The Constitution never sanctioned the patenting of gadgets. [...] It was never the object of those laws to grant a monopoly for every trifling device, every shadow of a shade of an idea, which would naturally and spontaneously occur to any skilled mechanic or operator in the ordinary progress of manufactures." -- Supreme Court Justice Douglas, 1950