From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Wed Aug 29 13:47:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 29 Aug 2001 20:47:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 7370 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2001 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Aug 2001 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta03-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.43) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 20:34:02 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.90.250]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010829203400.CACW23687.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:34:00 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] The Knights who forgot to say "ni!" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:33:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <150.1de490.28be61bc@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" pc: > jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > You didn't read what I wrote. I know that they are _defined_ as > quantity and truth value, but they are _used_ only as property > and proposition. > > And why do we pay attention to (in some cases deliberate) misuse? "Let usage > decide" only applies to Lojban usage, not Nalgol. On this issue, which I'm agnostic about, it seems plausible that whoever wrote the definitions was (na'e mabla) incompetent and that the intention was for jei to mean "whether" and ni to mean "how much". There are examples in The Book that support these meanings. So it is open to debate how binding the mahoste definitions should be seen as being. --And.