From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Aug 29 14:08:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 29 Aug 2001 21:08:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 74098 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2001 20:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 Aug 2001 20:56:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta1 with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 20:56:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7TKuob10357 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:56:49 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Another stab at a Record on ce'u In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > i. ce'u makes sense in li'i as well as du'u and ka. > > Actually, I don't think so. Does "li'i da -rain" [bugger. tip of the > tongue. carmi?cevni? no] (= experience of it raining) make sense. I > think it does. So I think "experience of having legs" is NOT > "li'i ce'u se tuple" but rather "li'i le se NO'AU se tuple", where > NO'AU = next outer phrase (regardless of whether it is a bridi) = a > sibling of NO'A. li'i ce'u klama experience of going li'i ce'u xelklama experience of being a vehicle etc. > > b. ka and du'u are interchangeable if there is at least one ce'u. > > I don't dare make statements about ka. Too hazardous. This is an inocuous, uncontroversial statement, issued by John Cowan many days ago, to which I have seen no dispute. > > c. In kambroda lujvo, the ce'u is in the first place. > > Meaning "brodahood"? Yup. > > d. si'o implicitly fills up all the places with ce'u. > > Yes. > > > But outside of si'o, all empty places are zo'e. > > Again, with the exception of ka, unless and until consensus is agreed > on workable conventions for it. This is a proposal for writing, from now on. All writers really should start putting in ce'us wherever they need them. ----- "It is not enough that an article is new and useful. The Constitution never sanctioned the patenting of gadgets. [...] It was never the object of those laws to grant a monopoly for every trifling device, every shadow of a shade of an idea, which would naturally and spontaneously occur to any skilled mechanic or operator in the ordinary progress of manufactures." -- Supreme Court Justice Douglas, 1950