From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Aug 29 17:18:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 30 Aug 2001 00:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30615 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2001 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2001 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 00:14:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7U0E3R11677 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:14:03 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > Xod: > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > > i. ce'u makes sense in li'i as well as du'u and ka. > > > > > > Actually, I don't think so. Does "li'i da -rain" [bugger. tip of the > > > tongue. carmi?cevni? no] (= experience of it raining) make sense. I > > > think it does. So I think "experience of having legs" is NOT > > > "li'i ce'u se tuple" but rather "li'i le se NO'AU se tuple", where > > > NO'AU = next outer phrase (regardless of whether it is a bridi) = a > > > sibling of NO'A. > > > > li'i ce'u klama > > experience of going > > > > li'i ce'u xelklama > > experience of being a vehicle > > > > etc. > > But what sort of thing is ce'u in this construction. It seems nothing > more than a variable bound to x2 of li'i. That's not at all what ce'u > in ka or si'o or du'u is. So I'd change your examples to: What is the big difference you see between si'o2 and li'i2? ----- "It is not enough that an article is new and useful. The Constitution never sanctioned the patenting of gadgets. [...] It was never the object of those laws to grant a monopoly for every trifling device, every shadow of a shade of an idea, which would naturally and spontaneously occur to any skilled mechanic or operator in the ordinary progress of manufactures." -- Supreme Court Justice Douglas, 1950