From pycyn@aol.com Wed Aug 29 17:18:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 30 Aug 2001 00:18:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 56869 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2001 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2001 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.4) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 00:11:44 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id r.c.1a3fe9d5 (1882) for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:11:38 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Another stab at a Record on ce'u To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c.1a3fe9d5.28bedeba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_c.1a3fe9d5.28bedeba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 6:20:26 PM Central Daylight Time, nicholas@uci.edu writes: > {le ka ce'u xendo zo'e zo'e} is a property. > {le ka ce'u xendo ce'u ce'u}, which some would call {le si'o xendo}, > and others {la'ezo xendo}, (and which Lojbab was originally thinking of > as {le ka zo'e xendo zo'e zo'e}) is a quality. > > Properties are properties of something; qualities are in and of > themselves. > But if qualities are in and of themselves, why do they have all those spaces for the things they are qualities of (actually relations among)? I take it you mean properties are properties of individuals, qualities are properties of tuples or relations among individuals. Why not just use the standard (since at least 1858) terminology? --part1_c.1a3fe9d5.28bedeba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 6:20:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
nicholas@uci.edu writes:


{le ka ce'u xendo zo'e zo'e} is a property.
{le ka ce'u xendo ce'u ce'u}, which some would call {le si'o xendo},
and others {la'ezo xendo}, (and which Lojbab was originally thinking of
as {le ka zo'e xendo zo'e zo'e}) is a quality.

Properties are properties of something; qualities are in and of
themselves.


But if qualities are in and of themselves, why do they have all those spaces
for the things they are qualities of (actually relations among)?  I take it
you mean properties are properties of individuals, qualities are properties
of tuples or relations among individuals.  Why not just use the standard
(since at least 1858) terminology? --part1_c.1a3fe9d5.28bedeba_boundary--