From pycyn@aol.com Thu Aug 30 01:30:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 30 Aug 2001 08:30:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 45610 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2001 08:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2001 08:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 08:30:48 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id r.c4.19de90d8 (4404) for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:30:40 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Qualities & Properties (was: Re: Another stab at a Record on ce'u To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.19de90d8.28bf53b0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_c4.19de90d8.28bf53b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 7:30:29 PM Central Daylight Time, xod@sixgirls.org writes: > Dogness, a property or a quality? Fiveness? There can't be any instance of > a quality existing outside of an observable. > Oi. A nominalist! But I think I knew that. By "an instance of a quality" do you mean a particular quality or something that has a quality? In Lojban as it seems to be set up (with {ka} and {du'u} belonging together), it appears that not quality (or is that property?) is observable. And of course there are losts of instances of things that have qualities that are not observable: sets (to be controversial), invisible things (to play it safer), quarks (I'm never sure where those lie, since nominalist tens\d to get all fuzzy at this point) and so on. --part1_c4.19de90d8.28bf53b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/2001 7:30:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:


Dogness, a property or a quality? Fiveness? There can't be any instance of
a quality existing outside of an observable.


Oi. A nominalist! But I think I knew that.  By "an instance of a quality" do
you mean a particular quality or something that has a quality?  In Lojban as
it seems to be set up (with {ka} and {du'u} belonging together), it appears
that not quality (or is that property?) is observable.  And of course there
are losts of instances of things that have qualities that are not observable:
sets (to be controversial), invisible things (to play it safer), quarks (I'm
never sure where those lie, since nominalist tens\d to get all fuzzy at this
point) and so on. --part1_c4.19de90d8.28bf53b0_boundary--