From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 16:17:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 30 Aug 2001 23:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 22583 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2001 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2001 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.226) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Aug 2001 23:17:41 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:17:31 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.153 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:17:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.153] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Siver threads among the mold Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:17:31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2001 23:17:31.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C2BCF0:01C131A9] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e > > ni = ka sela'u makau > > >I don't see that. {Ni} evaluates to an amount, {ka} to a property. {ni} evaluates to an amount by one definition: ni = jai sela'u {ni} evaluates to a property by the other: ni = ka sela'u makau la djan cu mitre li re le ka ce'u clani John is 2 meters tall. la djan cu clani sela'u li piso'i John is very tall. le meris cu mitre li papimu le ka ce'u clani Mary is 1.5 meters tall la meris cu clani sela'u li piso'u Mary is "little" tall. la djan frica la meris le ka ce'u mitre makau John differs from Mary in how many meters tall they are. la djan frica la meris le ka ce'u clani sela'u makau John differs from Mary in how tall they are. ni1: li piso'i ni la djan clani =li piso'i jai sela'u clani fai la djan ni2: la djan frica la meris le ni ce'u clani =la djan frica la meris le ka ce'u clani sela'u makau My impression is that ni2 is much more frequent than ni1 in usage, though certainly not as overwhelmingly so as jei2 over jei1. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp