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Subject: RE: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:03:53 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com>

xod:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote:
> 
> > Xod:
> > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote:
> > >
> > > > > i. ce'u makes sense in li'i as well as du'u and ka.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I don't think so. Does "li'i da -rain" [bugger. tip of the
> > > > tongue. carmi?cevni? no] (= experience of it raining) make sense. I
> > > > think it does. So I think "experience of having legs" is NOT
> > > > "li'i ce'u se tuple" but rather "li'i le se NO'AU se tuple", where
> > > > NO'AU = next outer phrase (regardless of whether it is a bridi) = a
> > > > sibling of NO'A.
> > >
> > > li'i ce'u klama
> > > experience of going
> > >
> > > li'i ce'u xelklama
> > > experience of being a vehicle
> > >
> > > etc.
> >
> > But what sort of thing is ce'u in this construction. It seems nothing
> > more than a variable bound to x2 of li'i. That's not at all what ce'u
> > in ka or si'o or du'u is. So I'd change your examples to:
> 
> What is the big difference you see between si'o2 and li'i2?

I don't really understand what you're asking. But at any rate, it is
clear that a ce'u in si'o is not bound to x2 of si'o (le se si'o).