From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Aug 31 10:28:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 31 Aug 2001 17:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 63569 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2001 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2001 17:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Aug 2001 17:27:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7VHRSA27701 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > xod: > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > Xod: > > > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i. ce'u makes sense in li'i as well as du'u and ka. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, I don't think so. Does "li'i da -rain" [bugger. tip of the > > > > > tongue. carmi?cevni? no] (= experience of it raining) make sense. I > > > > > think it does. So I think "experience of having legs" is NOT > > > > > "li'i ce'u se tuple" but rather "li'i le se NO'AU se tuple", where > > > > > NO'AU = next outer phrase (regardless of whether it is a bridi) = a > > > > > sibling of NO'A. > > > > > > > > li'i ce'u klama > > > > experience of going > > > > > > > > li'i ce'u xelklama > > > > experience of being a vehicle > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > But what sort of thing is ce'u in this construction. It seems nothing > > > more than a variable bound to x2 of li'i. That's not at all what ce'u > > > in ka or si'o or du'u is. So I'd change your examples to: > > > > What is the big difference you see between si'o2 and li'i2? > > I don't really understand what you're asking. But at any rate, it is > clear that a ce'u in si'o is not bound to x2 of si'o (le se si'o). I see what you're saying. But the li'i needs a focus. Are you suggesting we bust out yet another cmavo rather than use ce'u in li'i? ----- "We should destroy the Muslims' homes while leaving the Christians' homes alone." -- Rehavam Zeevi, Israeli Tourism Minister