From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 15:56:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 31 Aug 2001 22:56:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 83111 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2001 22:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2001 22:56:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.77) by mta1 with SMTP; 31 Aug 2001 22:56:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:56:35 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.53 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:56:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.53] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] properties vs. relationships Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:56:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Aug 2001 22:56:35.0151 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F211DF0:01C13270] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >Why is it that there is a property in the x3 of > > do cnino mi le ka ce'u xunre {ko'a ckaji ko'i} is part of what {ko'a cnino ko'e ko'i} is about. >Couldn't it just as easily be > > do cnino mi le ka le nu ce'u xunre cu se sanji ce'u I suppose it could be defined like that, but then x3 of cnino, instead of being more or less any one-ce'u property, would be restricted to be a very special subset of 2-ce'u relationships, those where the second argument is an evaluator or something like that. What do we gain by complicating so much this place? >Likewise with "ko'a pamoi lei nanmu le ka ce'u clani". Shouldn't it be > > ko'a pamoi lei nanmu le ka ce'u clamau ce'u Again it is possible, but it gives to moi a far more complicated meaning. >Otherwise, how would you get ascending order vs. descending order? {pamoi fi le ka clani} vs. {pamoi fi la ka tordu}. >Maybe the short forms should be considered abbreviations of the ones >with an explicit relationship. I think the meaning of the selbri would be different in each case. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp