From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Sep 04 07:42:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 4 Sep 2001 14:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 24275 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Sep 2001 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta3 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 14:30:43 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (dynamic110.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.110]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f84EUgX93394 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010904102608.00b2a460@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 10:28:26 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Instant Evaluation (was: The Knights who forgot to say "ni!" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 02:06 PM 9/4/01 +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la xod cusku di'e > > >Lazy evaluation makes lu'e a lot more useful. It converts {lu'e la djan} > >from "John" to "The Symbol for John". > >I wouldn't have a problem with {lu'e la djan} being defined >as {le du'u makau du la djan}, "who John is" but please, please, >pretty please, don't call it "The Symbol for John" then! It is >exactly the same confusion as calling the proposition "whether p" >"The Truth Value of p", or calling the proposition "how >much p" "The Amount of p". In English we can easily get away >with those word games, but in Lojban it only creates confusion. >Truth values, amounts or symbols are not really propositions. The concept I had of la'e and lu'e was similar to the concept of pointer variables in programming. lu'e then is a variable reference that points to the referent, and la'e takes the variable reference and treats it as a pointer to another referent. The two are inverse operations. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org