From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Sep 04 09:14:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 4 Sep 2001 16:14:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 65392 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2001 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.177) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 15:56:18 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:56:08 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:56:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] A serious but ungeneralized new attempt on Q-kau Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:56:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2001 15:56:08.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C7C4700:01C1355A] From: "Jorge Llambias" la and cusku di'e >And how do we get rid of the makau? Thus? -- > > For every x, for every y that is a ka'e nu I have x for dinner: there >is some > z such that y's occurrence conditions include z's being in the fridge. Unless x and z can take the value "noda", and I think you don't intend it that way, that doesn't work. The set of answers, {lo'i nu mi ba citka makau}, is not logically related to the set of things I will/may have for dinner {lo'i ba se citka be mi}. At least there is no straightforward relationship. Trying to reduce makau in terms of the latter set, I don't think it will work. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp