From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Tue Sep 04 09:57:04 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 4 Sep 2001 16:57:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 67600 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2001 16:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2001 16:37:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1 with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 16:37:31 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:15:37 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:44:02 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:43:34 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] A serious but ungeneralized new attempt on Q-kau Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta That's my feeling too. We need to be formalizing a makauless "set-of-answers" or equivalent. I'm thinking of something like=20 da zo'u=20 ... lo du'u da du the-extension-of lo du'u ce'u klama kei kei poi jetnu da zo'u=20 ... lo du'u da du the-extension-of lo du'u ce'u prami ce'u kei kei poi je= tnu But I haven't thought through how this works for the dinner/friedge case. I realize people (pc) replied to that original proposal & I haven't answere= d those replies yet. But the new academic year is beginning. --And. >>> Jorge Llambias 09/04/01 03:56pm >>> la and cusku di'e >And how do we get rid of the makau? Thus? -- > > For every x, for every y that is a ka'e nu I have x for dinner: there= =20 >is some > z such that y's occurrence conditions include z's being in the fridge. Unless x and z can take the value "noda", and I think you don't intend it that way, that doesn't work. The set of answers, {lo'i nu mi ba citka makau}, is not logically related to the set of things I will/may have for dinner {lo'i ba se citka be mi}. At least there is no straightforward relationship. Trying to reduce makau in terms of the latter set, I don't think it will work. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp= =20 To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com=20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20