From pycyn@aol.com Tue Sep 04 18:47:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 5 Sep 2001 01:47:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 43778 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 01:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Sep 2001 01:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 01:44:43 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id r.f5.ed5b84f (3924) for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:44:37 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] specificity of 'ma' To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f5.ed5b84f.28c6dd85_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_f5.ed5b84f.28c6dd85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/2001 8:39:35 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > >Maybe we need {la mas} to insist on a name. > > {la mo} works. But "who" doesn't insist on a name. > "The butler" will do as an answer, but not "a butler" > (unless it's one of those cases where it is specific, > "a certain butler"). > Will {la mo} guarantee a name? Yes, name is neither necessary nor sufficient and {lo} won't usually work ("a certain" is an English quantifier trick, not specific -- or is it definite? -- outside of certain special cases -- nothing seems to work like it in Lojban --- though I did try.) --part1_f5.ed5b84f.28c6dd85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/4/2001 8:39:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


>Maybe we need {la mas} to insist on a name.

{la mo} works. But "who" doesn't insist on a name.
"The butler" will do as an answer, but not "a butler"
(unless it's one of those cases where it is specific,
"a certain butler").


Will {la mo} guarantee a name? Yes, name is neither necessary nor sufficient
and {lo} won't usually work ("a certain" is an English quantifier trick, not
specific -- or is it definite? -- outside of certain special cases -- nothing
seems to work like it in Lojban --- though I did try.) --part1_f5.ed5b84f.28c6dd85_boundary--