From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Sep 05 15:11:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 5 Sep 2001 22:11:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14920 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 21:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Sep 2001 21:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.208) by mta1 with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 21:59:46 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:59:46 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:59:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: ma'a as possessive: mass or individual? Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:59:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 21:59:46.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[13474610:01C13656] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >Pending resolution of the problem below, I think that "ro ma'a zo'u >.ei ma'a bevri le me ma'a moi" is okay. It would take a very strained >reading to interpret ma'a as changing referents mid-sentence like >that. I don't agree. I think personal pronouns, like demonstratives (ti, ta, tu) should be evaluated afresh every time they are used, they shouldn't be bound by a quantifier à la {da}. {le me ma'a moi} should be "ours" independently of how {ma'a} was used before. >Looking it up, the book on page 139 indeed says that {mi'o, mi'a, >ma'a, do'o} are all masses, but that the other personal pro-sumti are >ambiguous between mass and individuals. I'd like to keep the parallel >with the other personal pro-sumti and have "mi'o" ambiguous between >"mi joi do" and "mi .e do". And use {piro mi'o} and {ro mi'o} to disambiguate. I can't think of any objection at the moment. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp