From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Thu Sep 06 17:56:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 00:56:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1966 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 00:49:51 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.88.88]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010907004949.NZBW710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:49:49 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] specificity of 'ma' Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:49:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" John: > pycyn@aol.com scripsit: > > > > {la mo} works. But "who" doesn't insist on a name. > > > > Will {la mo} guarantee a name? > > No (for not all names are predicates). But if you want a name, > *ask* for a name: ma cmene lo klama be le zarci > should provoke zo djan. Unfortunately not necessarily. An answer could be "le melbi" -- "a certain beautiful (name)". > > and {lo} won't usually work ("a certain" is an English quantifier > trick, not > > specific -- or is it definite? -- outside of certain special cases > -- nothing > > seems to work like it in Lojban --- though I did try.) > > "A certain x" is +specific -definite, or lebi'unai. Or at least close enought to that for our purposes. --And.