From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 07 09:08:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 16:08:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 17150 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 15:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:24 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.84.175]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010907155818.LCDZ29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:58:18 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:57:34 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Xod: > > But we can certainly say {mi lifri lo nu da carvi}, > > I experience the event that something is rain. > > I suppose since carvi1 is taken, the phantom ce'u must be in other place, > or a BAI place. But it needs to be there somewhere. Then you would have to insert an overt ce'u, since BAI places are never covert. > > I don't deny that there must be an experiencer. I just > > strongly question whether the experiencer must be involved in the > > experience bridi. > > How can I experience a bridi if I am not in one of its places? I don't know how to answer that except by the obvious strategy of offering you a bridi with all places filled by something other than the experiencer, and asking if the situation described (e.g. pc's sun setting over the lake, or my Northern Ireland conflict) is experienceable, and hoping that you will say Yes. --And.