From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Sep 07 09:09:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 16:09:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16063 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 15:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta3 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 15:58:01 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.253.84.175]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010907155759.LBYQ29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew>; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:57:59 +0100 Reply-To: To: , Subject: RE: [lojban] ce'u Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:57:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <22.1b6e4122.28c9e02c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" pc: > a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com writes: > This is indeed a matter on the philosophical end of semantics > rather than the grammatical end. However, if the semantics of > "nu" has even the most microscopic resemblance to what "event" > means, then a nu is something that consists of a portion of > spacetime. "2+2=4" does not consist of a portion of spacetime. > > Oi, a problem. I aagree that 2+2 = 4 is not an event. But it > does seem to be a fact -- and a necessary one. So, maybe > facts -- in Lojban (I am less sure it ever arose in English) -- > are not events. Propositions? I gather from Lojbab in discussion in years gone by that fatci are propositions that are true of the local world, hence the absence of an "epistemology" x2 on fatci (cf. jetnu). So yes, 2+2=4 is a fatci. --And.