From xod@sixgirls.org Fri Sep 07 11:00:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 18:00:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 85135 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 17:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 17:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 17:55:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f87HtDd24190 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, And Rosta wrote: > > > I don't deny that there must be an experiencer. I just > > > strongly question whether the experiencer must be involved in the > > > experience bridi. > > > > How can I experience a bridi if I am not in one of its places? > > I don't know how to answer that except by the obvious strategy of > offering you a bridi with all places filled by something other than > the experiencer, and asking if the situation described (e.g. pc's > sun setting over the lake, or my Northern Ireland conflict) is > experienceable, and hoping that you will say Yes. In claiming {li'i klama} has a meaning which is not one of {li'i klama FA ce'u}, you're claiming that "I experienced going (klama), but I wasn't the goer, nor the origin, nor the destination, the vehicle, or the route". What exactly are you experiencing then? ----- "We should destroy the Muslims' homes while leaving the Christians' homes alone." -- Rehavam Zeevi, Israeli Tourism Minister