From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 07 11:38:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 18:38:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 89979 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 18:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 18:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.200) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 18:29:49 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 11:29:46 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:29:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 18:29:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2001 18:29:46.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[122EF2C0:01C137CB] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >Hmmm!. I would take both the sunset and the Northern Ireland conflict as >events. I suspect that I would want experiencing a cat to be experiencing >an >event, too. And I do worry a little about bringing my metaphysics of every >thing is an event into grammar, so I suppose experiencing a cat is >experiencing lo mlato cu co'e or involve subject-raising {tu'a}. So what is it about events that makes them experienceable to non-participants? It can't be their space-time presence, because cats have that too. Can I experience your running the same way I can experience the sun setting? mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp