From rmcivor@macsrule.com Fri Sep 07 16:39:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rmcivor@macsrule.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 7 Sep 2001 23:39:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 88430 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2001 23:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2001 23:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) (209.226.175.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2001 23:39:46 -0000 Received: from localhost ([64.230.89.29]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010907233936.WRUF29250.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost>; Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:39:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 19:39:37 -0400 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1040592638-1 Subject: Re: Loglan history (was: RE: [lojban] LALR1 question Cc: To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) Message-Id: <20010907233936.WRUF29250.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@localhost> From: Robert McIvor --Apple-Mail-1040592638-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii On Thursday, September 6, 2001, at 08:49 PM, And Rosta wrote: >> From: Robert McIvor [mailto:rmcivor@macsrule.com] >> I believe JCB learned his lesson from the split, and afterwards >> accepted >> open discussion and criticism and never again attempted to impose his >> will >> in the fashion described by Lojbab. Loglan has remained an open >> language, >> although changes now are rare and mainly extensions, rather than >> changes >> to preexisting structures. > > If JCB softened, how come the split could not be patched up? The above referred to the Loglan community. Some proposals, unacceptable to LLG were made some years ago. At present, with Lojban baselined, patching the split would mean complete absorption into Lojban. This is unlikely to happen in the near future. > > I had been given to understand that it was JCB's adamant intransigence > that prevented the reunion and thus led to such deeply unfortunate > outcomes as competition for new recruits, the division of the community > (e.g. with Alex Leith and Nick Nicholas waxing prolix in not the same > language), the largely noisome innovations that occurred in Lojban > post-split, the exile of Jim Carter, and so on and so forth. If I remember correctly, the exile of Jim Carter preceded the split. JCB remained intransigent towards a very few people involved in the split, but not towards Lojban in general. Alex made some tentative contacts with a view to more cooperation, but his illness and death has put that on hold for now. Hue Bab --Apple-Mail-1040592638-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii On Thursday, September 6, 2001, at 08:49 PM, And Rosta wrote: From: Robert McIvor [mailto:rmcivor@macsrule.com] I believe JCB learned his lesson from the split, and afterwards accepted open discussion and criticism and never again attempted to impose his will in the fashion described by Lojbab. Loglan has remained an open language, although changes now are rare and mainly extensions, rather than changes to preexisting structures. If JCB softened, how come the split could not be patched up? The above referred to the Loglan community. Some proposals, unacceptable to LLG were made some years ago. At present, with Lojban baselined, patching the split would mean complete absorption into Lojban. This is unlikely to happen in the near future. 0000,0000,DEB7 I had been given to understand that it was JCB's adamant intransigence that prevented the reunion and thus led to such deeply unfortunate outcomes as competition for new recruits, the division of the community (e.g. with Alex Leith and Nick Nicholas waxing prolix in not the same language), the largely noisome innovations that occurred in Lojban post-split, the exile of Jim Carter, and so on and so forth. If I remember correctly, the exile of Jim Carter preceded the split. JCB remained intransigent towards a very few people involved in the split, but not towards Lojban in general. Alex made some tentative contacts with a view to more cooperation, but his illness and death has put that on hold for now. Hue Bab0000,0000,DEB7 --Apple-Mail-1040592638-1--