From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sat Sep 08 13:43:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 8 Sep 2001 20:43:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 18231 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2001 20:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2001 20:43:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Sep 2001 20:43:40 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.94]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010908204334.XRBA710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:43:34 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] li'i (was: Another stab at a Record on ce'u Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:42:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Jorge: > la pycyn cusku di'e > > >Hmmm!. I would take both the sunset and the Northern Ireland conflict as > >events. I suspect that I would want experiencing a cat to be experiencing > >an > >event, too. And I do worry a little about bringing my metaphysics of every > >thing is an event into grammar, so I suppose experiencing a cat is > >experiencing lo mlato cu co'e or involve subject-raising {tu'a}. > > So what is it about events that makes them experienceable to > non-participants? It can't be their space-time presence, because > cats have that too. Can I experience your running the same way > I can experience the sun setting? Isn't it part of the nature of experience that all experiencees are events? I should add that (like pc?), I hold that all portions of spacetime are events. --and.