From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sat Sep 08 13:44:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 8 Sep 2001 20:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 36090 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2001 20:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2001 20:44:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 8 Sep 2001 20:44:00 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.255.40.94]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010908204357.XRET710.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:43:57 +0100 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] ko'a klama .isecaubo mi djuno Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Jorge: > la pier cusku di'e > > >I think I've figured it out. {mi claxu lo fipybirka} says that there is a > >pectoral fin, but I don't have one (which is true; I'm not a fish). > > It doesn't really say that you don't have any. It says that there > is at least one that you lack, but it says nothing about the rest > of them. {claxu} is a tricky predicate. You could say {mi claxu > ro fipybirka}, "every fin is such that I lack it", but it sounds > awful. I would say {mi claxu lo'e fipybirka}... {claxu} shouldnt really be used outside of lujvo, because of logical risks. Anyway, if you have to use claxu here, then {mi claxu ro fipybirka} is the best way. However, "I lack a pectoral fin" should really be "no da fipybirka mi". --And.