From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Sep 10 16:23:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 10 Sep 2001 23:23:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 53208 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2001 23:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2001 23:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 23:17:38 -0000 Received: from user.lojban.org (dynamic231.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.231]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8ANHW145313 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010910175411.00cb1d70@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:13:09 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: ce'u In-Reply-To: References: <9n98s4+iglj@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 03:23 AM 9/7/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >Adam: > > la .and. cusku di'e > > > > > A fatci is something that is true of the local universe. A ka'e > > fatci > > > then is something that could be true of the local universe and a > > ca'a > > > fatci is something that actually is true of the local universe. > > > "X dies before X is born" is not a ka'e fatci. "I live in Paris" is > > > a ka'e but not a ca'a fatci. "I live in London" is a ka'e and a ca'a > > > fatci. > > > > So 'nu' is to 'fasnu' as 'du'u' is to what? > >'bridi' Actually, historically I think it was dunli, because du'u started as an "equation converter" in Mex, converting an mekso "equation" to a sumti as part of selma'o LI. This is how it is recorded in the 2/90 cmavo list. Possibly after Cowan got involved and redid Mex to exclude the "equation" type, or perhaps before, I realized that an equation using du was more or less similar to a bridi and decided that the appropriate thing was to convert it to a bridi (which later meany moving du to BRIVLA) and then have a generalized abstractor that could talk about a bridi in a sentence, most especially in the x2 of cusku. Later (possibly from Jorge) we distinguished between the bridi and the text that expressed the bridi in a particular language which became x2 of du'u and is actually what is used now in cusku. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org