From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Sep 10 16:27:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 10 Sep 2001 23:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 69986 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2001 23:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2001 23:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailman1.cais.net) (205.252.14.61) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 23:18:49 -0000 Received: from stmpy-5.cais.net (stmpy-5.cais.net [205.252.14.75]) by mailman1.cais.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f8ANMkE34400 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user.lojban.org (dynamic231.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.231]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8ANH7145276 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010909235310.00b273c0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:08:27 -0400 To: lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] A serious but ungeneralized new attempt on Q-kau In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 03:01 PM 9/4/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > {ro nu makau I have for dinner cu some-lujvo-of-{tcini} > lo nu makau is in the fridge} > >Is that right? And you want it to mean "Each nu ... dinner has among its >occurrence-conditions some nu ... fridge". lenu makau cu nenri le lenkytanxe cu rinka lenu mi citka makau fau le raljysanmi >And how do we get rid of the makau? Thus? -- > > For every x, for every y that is a ka'e nu I have x for dinner: there > is some > z such that y's occurrence conditions include z's being in the fridge. > >I can't decide whether that's too broad when compared to the English. Not broad enough. What about the case where there is no food in the fridge. x could be the merchandise of the local fast food joint, but z is noda poi selcitka mi ... Hmm. Jorge may have said this already; I'm not sure. If so, we may be agreeing. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org