From rob@twcny.rr.com Thu Sep 13 19:37:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_1); 14 Sep 2001 02:37:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23887 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2001 23:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2001 23:00:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.177) by mta3 with SMTP; 13 Sep 2001 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-1 [24.92.226.139]) by mailout6.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id f8DMxTw15359 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:59:26 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15hfSl-0000RF-00 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:00:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:00:02 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] (from lojban-beginners) pi'e Message-ID: <20010913190002.F748@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <66.1431bdcb.28d22b68@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <66.1431bdcb.28d22b68@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:31:52AM -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/12/2001 11:45:22 PM Central Daylight Time, > rob@twcny.rr.com writes: > > > > I think there is an intrinsic reason. Dates go from smaller to larger units, > > and times go from larger to smaller. Combining them like that gives the > > bizarre > > order: hour, minute, [second], day, month, year. > > > > Does that work? It seems to me that pi'e should bear at least some > > resemblance > > to an ordinary decimal point. > > > > {pi'e} is explicitly for joining different bases or moduli (16 or variable), > the relative size is not important. What resemblance to ordiary decimal > points do you want? The different bases that are being joined are ji'i 1/30 and 1/12. Please note that lots of aspects of bases cease to make sense once you go below base 2. For example, consider the date {1 pi'e 12 pi'e 2001}. Add one month (pi'e 1) to this. You don't get January 1, 2002 - you get {2 pi'e 1 pi'e 2001}, or January 2, 2001. We say pi'e, but whatever separates those numbers is not pi'e at all. The Record which was established on this was before we understood various aspects of selma'o PA. -- Rob Speer