From pycyn@aol.com Fri Sep 14 14:20:52 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 14 Sep 2001 21:20:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 90890 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 19:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2001 19:33:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 19:33:28 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.ab.f3c56d4 (18707) for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:33:22 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Overspecifying places (was: (lojban-beginners) pi'e) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ab.f3c56d4.28d3b582_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_ab.f3c56d4.28d3b582_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/14/2001 1:28:46 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU writes: > Thus pc, when using /detri/, will > assume x4 =3D the Gregorian calendar expressed in provincial format, whil= e > people who have to live with data exchange will assume x4 =3D the Gregori= an > calendar in ISO-8601 format.=20=20 Gee, the only thing I can find to disagree with Carter about is the use of= =20 the word "provincial" for Lojban usage, which raises the usage of the ISO= =20 province to "universal" by implication. Of course, the implied is simply=20 false: ISO is as provincial (or more so) as Lojban's usage. There is no=20 universal rule here. Still, this is probably the smallest diagreement I've= =20 had with Carter in 25 years (I hope someone can find a smaller one.) I suspect just about anything that can be made MEXy (and that does seem to = be=20 just about anyhting) goes with {pi'e}. As to the last question, na'i. --part1_ab.f3c56d4.28d3b582_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/14/2001 1:28:46 PM Central Daylight Time, jimc@MATH.= UCLA.EDU writes:


Thus pc, when using /detr= i/, will
assume x4 =3D the Gregorian calendar expressed in provincial format, wh= ile
people who have to live with data exchange will assume x4 =3D the Grego= rian
calendar in ISO-8601 format.  


Gee, the only thing I can find to disagree with Carter about is the use= of the word  "provincial" for Lojban usage, which raises the usage of= the ISO province to "universal" by implication.  Of course, the impli= ed is simply false: ISO is as provincial (or more so) as Lojban's usage. &n= bsp;There is no universal rule here.  Still, this is probably the smal= lest diagreement I've had with Carter in 25 years (I hope someone can find = a smaller one.)

<More argument fodder (but maybe we've put enough time on this alrea= dy):
when dealing with "the month of Caprock" or "the year of the fruit bat"= ,
does it really make sense to "massify the unit values with /joi/"?=A0 D= oes it
make sense with /pi'e/?=A0 How many angels can dance on the head of a p= in?>

I suspect just about anything that can be made MEXy (and that does seem= to be just about anyhting) goes with {pi'e}.  As to the last question= , na'i.
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