From nicholas@uci.edu Fri Sep 14 17:28:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 15 Sep 2001 00:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 50559 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Sep 2001 23:33:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03511; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: [lojban] (from lojban-beginners) pi'e Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS cu'u la rab. >A while ago Xorxes made an informal grammar of PA cmavo, which was part of a >thread about what PA in various combinations meant. It seemed to meet with >general approval. >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/message/5817) I had no idea about this, because I rejoined the list just after it. I am delighted the attempt was made. xorxes, you are a star. It wasn't blessed by a Record, but the problem remains that, until we get something more coherent in place, I'd have no idea to go looking for it. (The same's true even if it was in a Record, of course.) xorxes, could you please put this up in the Wiki, in the interim, with at least your understanding about how digit combinations make sense? You'd be doing a kindness. (And a great work.) >In day-month-year, how do you refer to an event happening during a certain >year? It seems you don't. The lessons avoid this by naming years. So this >year is {la renonopananc.} and the next year is {la renonorenanc.} and the >next year is {la djimbab.}, or might as well be, because cmene are not >analyzable. Conversely, of course, in YY-MM-DD, how do you refer to a date? ("This happened on the 24th.") The answer is tu'o, right? Or indeed, even no number at all. So: This happened on the 24th. This happened in 1971. YY-MM-DD. fasnu de'i li pi'e pi'e 24 fasnu de'i li 1971 DD-MM-YY. dasnu de'i li 24 fasnu de'i li pi'e pi'e 1971 ... and it's already obvious which one would be more useful, I think. Woah. In fact, I think {de'i li 1971} is such a big win, and {de'i li pi'e pi'e 24} is so clean, that I'm prepared to opine here, as with {ka}, that the existing convention is broken, long live the new convention. This dizzies me. I thought I was conservative on this stuff. (Though on the other hand, I have more confidence in decisions being taken now than those taken in 1990, before *anyone* I know active in Lojban other than The Founders became active. If it comes between Rob Speer and Sylvia Rutiser, I'm sorry, but I vote Rob. If it comes between Ivan Derzhanski and Rob on something else, well, then it's a different story. Or at least, not necessarily the same story.) Woah again. Comments welcome. -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing I REJECT {gumri} nicholas@uci.edu (Lojban Wiki, Resurrected Gismu)