From rob@twcny.rr.com Sat Sep 15 17:03:26 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 16 Sep 2001 00:03:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 44432 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2001 00:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2001 00:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout6-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.125) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2001 00:03:16 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0 [24.92.226.74]) by mailout6-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.6/Road Runner 1.12) with ESMTP id f8G02Dw00352 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.92.246.4]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:02:13 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15iPOa-0001HX-00 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:02:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:02:48 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] accurate distances (was: My first attempt to write Lojban Message-ID: <20010915200248.A4869@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: <20010915172110.C4356@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:00:24PM -0400, Invent Yourself wrote: > On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Rob Speer wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 05:17:00PM -0000, hfroark@bigmailbox.net wrote: > > > By the way how does one express spatial and temporal distances; eg, > > > 30 minutes before, 15 years after, 50 meters left, and 30 meters > > > south. I looked at a few of the gismu for direction and none of them > > > seem to have a place for distance. > > > > If you want to express a reference point for the spatial/temporal direction, > > though, you have to use termsets, which are ugly and only barely explained in > > the two examples of them that the Book gives. > > > > "We will meet 15 years after today" (being more explicit): > > mi'o simpenmi ba nu'i le cabdei lu'a lo nanca be li pamu > > This is clearly a spot that needs some research and possibly an x-cmavo. Let's not jump to X-cmavo yet. Perhaps someone (maybe John, having written the Book) could tell us how termsets work? The Book seemed to be maximally verbose there to be as clear as possible, but is there any way the above sentence could be shortened and still convey the specific amount of time and the reference point? -- la rab.spir noi sarji zo gumri