From b.gohla@gmx.de Mon Sep 17 18:26:44 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: b.gohla@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 18 Sep 2001 01:26:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 39200 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 20:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2001 20:47:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (213.165.64.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 20:47:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19388 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2001 20:47:27 -0000 Received: from b7a88.pppool.de (HELO linux) (213.7.122.136) by mail.gmx.net (mp006-rz3) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2001 20:47:27 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Reply-To: b.gohla@gmx.de To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] (from lojban-beginners) pi'e Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:51:11 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010914203924.00da2aa0@pop.cais.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010914203924.00da2aa0@pop.cais.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01091722511101.03978@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?utf-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Gohla?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:59, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 04:15 PM 9/14/01 -0700, Nick NICHOLAS wrote: > > >BTW. No one has mentioned one bit of the nitty gritty of this particul= ar > > >world standard, but don't most standards insist on 24 hour clock time?= =20 > > > Do the world standard organizations believe that they will get the > > > world to use a 24 hour clock in everyday life? > > > >Lojbab, have you ever been to Europe and read the TV listings? Good Lord= . > > No. > > >People don't use 24 hours in speech in Europe, but noone uses anything b= ut > >in writing. > > A linguist who believes that the written language should be pre-eminent i= n > discussing its design and nature? from my observation people in germany tend to mix the 24h and the 12h style= =20 in speech. > Actually it sounds like the printed media has kowtowed to the standards a= nd > real people using real language are heeding the standards as much as the > French who use "le weekend". > > >I find this contempt of Standards Bodies utterly incredible. And I still > >think it's a libertarian thing. > > Calling me a libertarian is hilarious, I'm as much a standards nut as > anyone. But I lost this one, and my obligation as leader is to stand up > for those who won the argument. Linguistically, I'm a pragmatist. Lojba= n > is not by prescription going to change the way people think (you are the > anti-Whorfist, though, so you should be making this argument). At best i= t > can make it possible for people to change the way they think. Right now > they seem to think in 12 hour clocks (and the fact that 12 hour clocks ha= ve > persisted since the Babylonians were the last to use a duodecimal multipl= e > as a base makes it hard to imagine that this will change quickly). which might have to do with the fact that most analog clocks only have a 12= h=20 scale (or is it the other way around? ;) ).=20=20 - --=20 - -------------------- bill says: "this is where you go today!" pub 1024D/834F4976 2001-01-07 Bj=C3=B6rn Gohla (Wissenschaftler, Weltb=C3= =BCrger)=20 Key fingerprint =3D 9FF4 FEDA CCDF DA0E 14D5 8129 6C14 3C39 834F 4976 sub 1024g/29571FE2 2001-01-07 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7pmJKbBQ8OYNPSXYRArfmAJ9XPBkWD0XN/ES6cGqFElrdWrFNKwCgvh3C mcT6UkI4n7P6yNeiP1Qbx+E=3D =3DGALX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----