From lojbab@lojban.org Tue Sep 18 00:42:48 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 18 Sep 2001 07:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 63043 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2001 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2001 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-5.cais.net) (205.252.14.75) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 03:34:49 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic106.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.106]) by stmpy-5.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8I3YhK72908 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010917232212.00dc2ef0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:32:08 -0400 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] A revised ce'u proposal involving si'o In-Reply-To: References: <3d.1166af59.28d5bd70@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:43 AM 9/17/01 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >si'o1 = x1 has the idea of x2* being the case I would say that x1 has the idea of x2 being a (potential) property of the universe (for arbitrary ce'u) Arbitrary in that I concede that a si'o may focus on the relationships of other things to a particular sumti, as in the ka sumti that have been much discussed, but that one cannot identify which sumti are being focused on without a ce'u and that the default is probably not focusing on any place in particular (which would need to be represented by ce'u in all places or preferably in none). My concept of "ka" may be the fazi'o version of this. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org