From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 19:00:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 19 Sep 2001 02:00:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 94312 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 02:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 19 Sep 2001 02:00:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.176) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 02:00:45 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:00:44 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:00:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.27] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] META : Who is everyone (and what are they saying) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:00:44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2001 02:00:44.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4C3F820:01C140AE] From: "Jorge Llambias" I agree with And that there's nothing wrong with being metaphorical in Lojban. I also agree with Pierre that a good Lojban metaphor must inescapably take into account all places of the selbri. We can't avoid the fact that Lojban selbri, with all their satellite places, have usually much more restricted meanings than the English keywords associated with them, and the metaphor can only be based on the Lojban meaning, not on the English keyword. In this case perhaps we can say that {no prenu cu daplu loi jikca loi naljikca}. As for {ckaji le ka daplu}, can something that is not daplu have the property of being daplu? I can't see any difference between {ko'a daplu} and {ko'a ckaji le ka ce'u daplu}. As for {simsa lo daplu}, I don't see anything wrong with it, except that it is no longer a metaphor, it is a simile, as would be "no man is like an island" in English. A somewhat different (and usually weaker) figure of speech. Probably pe'a-ists will want to say {no prenu cu danlu pe'a}, but that sort of kills the effect that a good metaphor has. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp