From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Sep 19 04:14:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 19 Sep 2001 11:14:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 3261 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 11:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.221 with QMQP; 19 Sep 2001 11:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 11:14:32 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:52:14 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:22:38 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:22:17 +0100 To: phma , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] META : Who is everyone (and what are they saying) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta #>>> Pierre Abbat 09/19/01 12:07am >>> #On Tuesday 18 September 2001 13:52, And Rosta wrote: #> "No prenu cu daplu" is exactly right. Because it's an obvious truth, not #> worth saying, the hearer realizes that for it to be worth saying it must= be #> metaphorical. English is no different. # #To use a brivla metaphorically, you have to fill all of its places with th= e=20 #metaphor. If a man were an island, he would be an island of humanity, but = in=20 #a sea of what? A sea of zo'e, a sea of disconnection. I see no difference from the English= ; being surrounded by nonland is an essential part of islandhood, so if no man is an island then no man is entirely surrounded by nonland, land metaphorically being humanity. --And.