From pycyn@aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:05:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 19 Sep 2001 22:05:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 97019 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2001 22:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by 10.1.1.222 with QMQP; 19 Sep 2001 22:05:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Sep 2001 22:05:27 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.bf.14166f55 (4446) for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:04:39 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] noxemol ce'u To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf.14166f55.28da7077_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_bf.14166f55.28da7077_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2001 3:34:02 PM Central Daylight Time, nicholas@uci.edu writes: > it > opens the door for things like {cenba le creka}: if you can put in a > quantity, why not put in any atomic variable? > Well, there is something odd about {cenba} anyhow, since it seems that the crucial substituend for {ce'u} does not change and thus we are in Platonic Hell, with the one being the many and all. But, in fact, what has happened subrosa is that it is times that are different, not things, so the property/quantity/shirt is not {le...ce'u } but {le ... vo'a [if I dare raise that particular bugbear at this point] ... ca ce'u} He changed what color he was{ko'a cenba le ka ca ce'u vo'a skari makau} He changed his shirt {ko'a cenba le vo'a creka ca ce'u} And so on with examles you'd like even less, I suspect. --part1_bf.14166f55.28da7077_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2001 3:34:02 PM Central Daylight Time, nicholas@uci.edu writes:


it
opens the door for things like {cenba le creka}: if you can put in a
quantity, why not put in any atomic variable?


Well, there is something odd about {cenba} anyhow, since it seems that the crucial substituend for {ce'u} does not change and thus we are in Platonic Hell, with the one being the many and all.  But, in fact, what has happened subrosa is that it is times that are different, not things, so the property/quantity/shirt is not {le...ce'u } but {le ... vo'a [if I dare raise that particular bugbear at this point] ... ca ce'u}
He changed what color he was{ko'a cenba le ka ca ce'u vo'a skari makau}
He changed his shirt {ko'a cenba le vo'a creka ca ce'u}

And so on with examles you'd like even less, I suspect. --part1_bf.14166f55.28da7077_boundary--