From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Sep 19 20:27:57 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 20 Sep 2001 03:27:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 9456 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 03:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2001 03:27:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-4.cais.net) (205.252.14.74) by mta2 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 03:27:56 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp18.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.18]) by stmpy-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8K3Rtt48655 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010919232058.00c0dcd0@pop.cais.com> X-Sender: vir1036@pop.cais.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:24:43 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Talking about the language versus using it In-Reply-To: <9obi0g+1sid@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:50 AM 9/20/01 +0000, thinkit8@lycos.com wrote: >I've noticed a distinction forming between yahoo groups "jbosnu" >and "lojban", in that "lojban" tends to have a lot of English- >language talking about lojban and how to fix it. While jbosnu is >expressedly for talking in lojban about other things. Initially, I >wanted to talk about the problems with lojban in the lojban >language. But now I see that doing so is not adding greatly to >records of lojban usage. I archive all postings to either list, so they will be preserved as long as my computer files are, at least. But if you want a larger audience and a response to your postings in Lojban on any subject (including Lojban), you will more likely get it on the main list. > How often do we complain in English about >words that don't make sense in English? We'll end up having gismu >like: > >"flame: x1 insults x2's use of word x3 in language x4 because x1 >thinks the word doesn't deserve to be in language x4." > >So, before, I felt guilty using English to talk about lojban. Now, I >feel guilty using lojban to talk about lojban. But it's great seeing >yahoo group "lojban-beginners", how the newer people are really >trying to use the language. Ok, that's just my small opinion, in >English, about lojban :). Any reason you couldn't have said the above in Lojban? (The definition of "flame" might have been tricky, of course). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org