From pycyn@aol.com Thu Sep 20 09:22:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 20 Sep 2001 16:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 90930 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2001 16:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.1.224 with QMQP; 20 Sep 2001 16:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.101) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2001 16:22:46 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id r.a6.19f74db6 (4233) for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:22:36 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] META : Who is everyone (and what are they saying) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a6.19f74db6.28db71cc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10535 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_a6.19f74db6.28db71cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/20/2001 9:53:09 AM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes: > What is the difference? If x has the property of 'ka ce'u daplu' to > degree .8, then 'xy. daplu' is true to degree .8, just as 'xy. ckaji > le ka ce'u daplu' is. > None of this follows. The curve on the class membership function and the truth value curve need not be the same. We might for example accept something as an island (tv = 1) even though it was less than a perfect island (cm=.9 say -- maybe there is a sand spit that touches the beach on the main at very low tide). And what the relations held by {ckaji} and {le ka ce'u daplu} are pretty much up for grabs until we decide how these notions are interrelated (presumably, the {ckaji} is again .8 but that may not signify if "being characterized by" is different from "being a member of," which it well may be ( cf. {ni} and {jei}). --part1_a6.19f74db6.28db71cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/20/2001 9:53:09 AM Central Daylight Time, araizen@newmail.net writes:


What is the difference? If x has the property of 'ka ce'u daplu' to
degree .8, then 'xy. daplu' is true to degree .8, just as 'xy. ckaji
le ka ce'u daplu' is.


None of this follows.  The curve on the class membership function and the truth value curve need not be the same.  We might for example accept something as an island (tv = 1) even though it was less than a perfect island (cm=.9 say -- maybe there is a sand spit that touches the beach on the main at very low tide).  And what the relations held by {ckaji} and {le ka ce'u daplu} are pretty much up for grabs until we decide how these notions are interrelated (presumably, the {ckaji} is again .8 but that may not signify if "being characterized by" is different from "being a member of," which it well may be ( cf. {ni} and {jei}). --part1_a6.19f74db6.28db71cc_boundary--